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Discussing changes suggested to introduction

Please lets discuss these points on the current Druze article versus my suggested changes :

The Druze faith is an esoteric monotheistic religion based on the teachings of several Ismaili figures like Hamza ibn-'Ali ibn-Ahmad and Al-Muqtana Baha'uddin who were influenced by Greek philosophers such as Plato ,Aristotle and Plotinus.

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The Druze faith is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion based on the teachings of high Islamic figures like Hamza ibn-'Ali ibn-Ahmad and Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, and Greek philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle.

Reason for Edit : - The main distiction about the Druze faith is being esoteric Batini this should be mentioned

- Druze are not an Abrahamic religion but monotheist , the position of Abraham is different for the Druze than the three abrahamic faiths

- high Islamic figures is not accurate , the prophet mohammad is a high islamic figure , Hamza was a preacher , Al-Hakim was the Fatimid Caliph , a more historically accurate and appropriate description is Ismaili

and other philosophies and beliefs, creating a distinct syncretic and secretive theology that is passed on through initiation

Verus :

and secretive theology known to interpret esoterically religious scriptures, and to highlight the role of the mind and truthfulness.

Reason for Edit :

Role of the mind and truthfulness is an over simplification of the Druze theology and its the universal mind nous rather than mind as human mind

− Also

Druze are theologically distinct from Muslims due to their eclectic system of doctrines ^[1] such as the belief in theophany and reincarnation .^[2] , although Al Azhar of Egypt recognized them in 1959 as one of the Islamic sects in the Al-Azhar Shia Fatwa. ^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7]

− − − The Druze were subjected to persecution due to political and religious reasons during the Fatimid, Mamluks and Ottomans rule .^[8] Most recently, Druze were targeted by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and Al-Qaeda^[9] in order to cleanse Syria and neighboring countries of non-Islamic influence.^[10]

Reason for Edit : Its important to mention main difference between Druze and orthodox islam as well the source of Fatwa

Also subsituted the persecution paragraph with a summary since its the introduction and details are found in body — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiram111 (talk • contribs)

References

^ "Druze". Britannica.
^ Nisan 2002, p. 95.
^ "Reforming Islam in Egypt". Economist.
^ Nisan, Mordechai. Minorities in the Middle East: A History of Struggle and Self-Expression. McFarland. ISBN 0-7864-5133-5.
^ Kayyali, Randa. The Arab Americans. Greenwood Publishing Group. ISBN 0-313-33219-3.
^ Sorenson, David. Global Security Watch-Lebanon: A Reference Handbook: A Reference Handbook. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 0-313-36579-2.
^ Abdul-Rahman, Muhammed Saed. Islam: Questions And Answers — Schools of Thought, Religions and Sects. AMSA Publication Limited. ISBN 5-551-29049-2.
^ Hitti 1924.
^ Al-Khalidi, Suleiman. "Calls for aid to Syria's Druze after al Qaeda kills 20". Reuters.
^ "Syria: ISIS Imposes 'Sharia' on Idlib's Druze".

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiram111 (talk • contribs)

Expand the translation of darzi

In the section on Etymology, the first sentence translates darzi as "seamster". Please add "or tailor" after "seamster'. I was unfamiliar with the word seamster and had to look it up. It seems to be the male equivalent of seamstress. Gaucho65 (talk) 14:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Under the section; "Regions with significant populations", "Early History" and any other mention of Israel.

Change Isreal to Palestine, Israel did not exist when the religion was first founded in the 11th century, even up until mid 20th century, Israel did not exist and has no holding to this religion. 185.29.0.98 (talk) 12:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: per WP:EDITXY edit requests should be uncontroversial. Rainsage (talk) 04:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any changes (if needed)

Durziil89, you reverted a large number of edits, including my ones and other editors. If you want to suggest any changes, please discuss here. Hujjat al-Umari (talk) 11:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I only reverted the changes you made, as you made fundamental changes to the introduction. Also, why is the template duplicated twice? Durziil89 (talk) 11:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did no realize the religion template back then. Well, my version is far more clear and better for readability. The current one has mass citations and six paragraphs whereas my one has no unnecessary citations in the lede, moving unneeded citations to the body per MOS:LEADCITE and max four paragraphs in-line with WP:PARAGRAPH. Hujjat al-Umari (talk) 08:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The linkage for 'Acre' in the "Relationship with Jews" section links to the article on the acre land measurement rather than the city of Acre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Humpermonkey (talk • contribs) 01:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Druze". Britannica.

[FOOTNOTENisan2002[httpsbooksgooglecombooksidkeD9z1XWuNwCpgPA98dqMordechaiNisandruzeeiIJ5uSLuLMZOkiwHp99SCBgsigACfU3U2QHNki1phQdaWTIOKngGyVPLnTbwPPA100M1_95]-2] Nisan 2002, p. 95.

[3] "Reforming Islam in Egypt". Economist.

[mordechai-4] Nisan, Mordechai. Minorities in the Middle East: A History of Struggle and Self-Expression. McFarland. ISBN 0-7864-5133-5.

[randa-5] Kayyali, Randa. The Arab Americans. Greenwood Publishing Group. ISBN 0-313-33219-3.

[david-6] Sorenson, David. Global Security Watch-Lebanon: A Reference Handbook: A Reference Handbook. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 0-313-36579-2.

[muhammed-7] Abdul-Rahman, Muhammed Saed. Islam: Questions And Answers — Schools of Thought, Religions and Sects. AMSA Publication Limited. ISBN 5-551-29049-2.

[FOOTNOTEHitti1924-8] Hitti 1924.

[9] Al-Khalidi, Suleiman. "Calls for aid to Syria's Druze after al Qaeda kills 20". Reuters.

[10] "Syria: ISIS Imposes 'Sharia' on Idlib's Druze".

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